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Culpeper and a Senator vs. Civil Liberty

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Mar. 21st, 2006 | 08:33 pm

I never dreamed of the day when I would reach a political debate on a human rights issue based on civil liberty and the foundations of our great country with a Senator, former Virginia Governor, and a potential candidate for the Republican Presidency. Senator George Allen (R-Virginia), held a public hearing in Culpeper this evening. I was there, and so was Culpeper.

Any Virginian who held true to current events could tell you in a less than half a second who George Allen is: a Senator, and former Virginia Governor. But, could every Virginian in such short a time, let's say even within a minute tell you where Senator Allen stands on the basic issue of civil liberty? Probably not.

Senator George Allen has consistent in his support for bills and amendments which directly attack gay and lesbian families around the United States of America. During his term which comes to an end this year, Senator Allen openly supported the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA), which sought to define marriage as between ONLY a man and a woman, and in effect go so far as to ban all unions between people of the same-sex seeking the benefits of marriage, all 1,138 of them. Last year, Senator Allen supported a bill which would PROTECT gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender citizens - the Hate Crimes bill which included 'sexual orientation.' However, this year, Senator Allen made a statement saying that he regrets his support of this bill, and would - if faced with it again - vote against protecting GLBT citizens in this country. Why? Well, tonight was Virginia's opportunity to get a more clear understanding what this Senator believes.

I quickly made my way to the Board of Supervisors meeting room in Culpeper in the backside of the old post office. I did not expect to see such a large crowd. Over 100 citizens packed the room, including Culpeper's Sheriff, Delegate Ed Scott (R-Culpeper), the Commonwealth Secretary, the Culpeper Board of Supervisors and Culpeper School Board, as well as countless media related persons (N.Y. Times, Washington Post, Culpeper Star-Exponent, Culpeper Citizen, etc.) It did not take me long to realize that many of the citizens attending the meeting were from my old Catholic Church which was across the street. Also in attendance was Joe Rocha, EFC Board Treasurer/Member, and several other EFC supporters who I sat with. The hearing was about to begin, as Senator George Allen walked in the room to a crowd cheering. I sat as everyone stood, I was still as everyone cheered - I simply can not stand or applaud a man who did not believe in the very basic philosophy of this country. I could not cheer on a man who knowingly supports taking away the rights of Americans.

Soon enough, after Senator Allen spoke of several bills he supported and passed (skipping those regarding civil liberty of course), the Senator opened up the floor to public opinion and questioning. I was not first to stand, or first to raise my hand - no, I did not want to press the Senator with a controversial issue right away. A man behind me was granted the floor and he spoke of war in Iraq and his undying support for the Republican party, which he believed was collapsing and losing power.

Soon enough, the floor was changed - citizens wishing to question the Senator should stand up at the podium in front of the audience. I immediately stood up in response, and stood right behind a woman who took charge of the floor at the podium. She questioned health related issues, food additives and the lack of warning labels. Soon enough she stepped down - and the climate was right for controversy - which might I add seems to be the train that follows me, but not the train I attempt to board.

"Thank you Senator," I began as all eyes were on me, Del. Ed Scott looked intently at me - he knew why I was there, Del. Scott and I frequently converse about GLBT issues in Virginia. "I first want to thank you for being here, I really appreciate when our elected officials are so willing to allow the public to speak with them." Senator Allen smiled, what was he expecting me to say?

"I wanted to speak with you in regards to a Hate Crimes bill that was introduced in Congress not too long ago." He nodded at me as I continued, "This bill sought to add 'sexual orientation' to the country's list of types of people that are victims of hate crimes. I myself have been victim to threats and assaults of hate crime based on the fact that I am gay, and I am a Virginian. Only two weeks ago my friend was in Richmond when he walked out of a restaurant with his partner another person called him a 'faggot', drew a knife, and attacked my friend. Luckily, my friend lived - others are not so lucky. Last year, you supported legislation which sought to add 'sexual orientation' to the nation's hate crime list, and for that I thank you - but later this year you said that you regret your support for this bill and would not support this bill in the future, why is that?"

Senator Allen kept his smile, kept his poise, and prepared one of those typical political responses. He told me a story, that once he was at a Gay Pride Festival in Philadelphia, and there was a peaceful group reciting verses from the Bible across the street. They were arrested for assault. He believes in religious freedom, and believes religious freedom of expression is ideal in this country. I agree. Senator Allen continued to say that he believes sexual orientation is not a civil right Everyone broke into thunderous applause. I doubt the crowd understood - Senator Allen seemed to turn the table making my statement appear as if I was advocating for "special" rights, which of course is far from the truth.

"Well Senator," I began. "I too believe religious freedom of expression is part of what this country was founded upon - it is a beautiful thing to be able to express your views, however sexual orientation is not a civil right, it is a part of someone, and gay citizens are being denied basic civil liberty, very basic rights that most citizens are granted." The Senator said something along the lines of disagreement. "If you believe that this is how gay citizens should be treated," I continued, "I am assuming that is why you supported the Federal Marriage Amendment."

Senator Allen seemed a bit tense. He continued to say that his support for the Federal Marriage Amendment was merely the passing of legislation that the people of this country wanted - to protect the values that this country upholds. Senator Allen was consistent with repeating this message at least five times in about ten different ways, including citation of statistics and specific references. Senator Allen even began to speak of what was and what was not constitutional - including actions from activist judges, as well as a separate case where Massachusetts became the first and only state to approve same-sex marriage...which according to him was in contrast of what the people believed.

"Senator Allen," I began, leaving a bit of a pause, "I think we both can agree that what the majority may think, is not necessarily always constitutional. Take a look at history - slavery for example, that was supported by a majority of our citizens at one time, but it by far was not constitutional, and it by far was invading the basic freedom of citizens in this country. We can not say that majority rule is necessarily constitutional when it comes to issues of human rights and basic civil liberty. I, as of now, do not have the choice to be married."

"Yes you do!" Senator Allen shot in.

"Not to a man I don't," I said back...continuing, "I am 16, I am still in high school - and I am worried solely because I am defined a second-class citizen in this country. From issues relating to marriage (all 1,138 federal rights granted to heterosexual couples), to not being able to serve this country, to adoption and a number of other issues - I am not granted basic civil liberty that this country was founded upon, how is that constitutional?"

Senator Allen gave a response unlike any other I have received from anyone. His response was in agreement to my statement on history and majority rule - contrasting his previous statement, but a continuation on support of un-constitutional legislation. Clearly this debate was going nowhere - the audience kept cheering at his responses and I did not have the support of the room. I realized I had made my point clear, given strong examples, and no further discussion could shift the room - I thanked him and stepped down from the podium and a flock of reporters swarmed around me asking questions. Senator Allen looked over nervously, motioned to a reporter said her name and said he did not know the New York Times was there. Interestingly enough, she turned around and looked to me for questioning. Senator Allen made a quick move and called my name saying that he wanted to be clear he did not support the harsh treatment of slaves at the time. I said that I did not mean to make a parallel to the treatment of the slaves in historical text - but rather the fact that majority rule at that time was clearly un-constitutional and invaded upon the freedoms of citizens. I turned around, gave all the reporters the information they requested and sat down. One of the ladies I was sitting with leaned over and whispered in my ear, "You really are a voice to be reckoned with!" - I let out a slight laugh as the room sat still in response to what has shaken the communities of Fauquier and Culpeper: issues of basic civil liberty, this time it is for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender citizens - a true issue that is not meant to be ignored, even in the most conservative counties of Virginia.

Senator George Allen has every right to defend his views as he sees fit - however no man has the right to attempt to redefine a constitution established in order to protect the basic civil liberties of all citizens equally under the eyes of the law in our great country.

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." (Edward Abbey)

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brilliant

from: [info]matafleur
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:33 am (UTC)
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you are simply amazing! you give me hope

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Tully Satre

Re: brilliant

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:57 am (UTC)
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:) yay for hope, the world needs more of it.

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Jazzfanatic

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from: [info]jazzfanatic
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:50 am (UTC)
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I know I've said this before, but it bears repeating:

You are a wonderful, brave, and eloquent man. Thank you so much for what you are doing.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
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Thank you for your support :) We're all in this together.

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from: [info]chloe_mcsnort
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:51 am (UTC)
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Tulbo! I'm so proud of you!!!

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:59 am (UTC)
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Thanks darling.

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LOL!

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
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So now you define yourself as a second class citizen, simply because you cannot marry another man??? That doesn't make you second-class son, that makes you EQUAL. I can't marry a man either!

Your problem isn't that you're being treated unequally because you are gay -- no, your problem is that you ARE being treated equally DESPITE that fact!

If this is a problem for you, then yes indeed - you ARE asking for "special rights", for no better reason than because you think being gay entitles you to it.

Sad. Delusional even. If you want to get married, find yourself a nice gal who will agree to it (heck, it doesn't even matter if she's gay too!) and knock yourself out.

But please, stop pretending that two husbands and no wife is in any way "equal" to a husband and wife. Trust me, someday your kids will thank you for giving them a mother. Even a gay one.

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Tully Satre

Re: LOL!

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:17 am (UTC)
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Dear Anonymous,

According to your arguement, a difference in love is to be treated unequally. I'm asking to have all 1,138 federal rights granted to heterosexual couples that I could have happily with my partner. If you want to make this a constitutional issue, as opposed to a human rights issue, than think about this - the U.S. was founded upon freedom and civil liberty, allowing citizens to make any contract they wish as long as it does not bring harm to anyone. Same-sex couples can not make these basic legal contracts that opposite-sex couples can make - all these federal rights are defined within the legal term of 'marriage.'

Denying a citizen basic civil rights is unconsitutional, and by far not equal. The color of my skin doesn't define my rights, why does my sexual orientation?

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You Are A Hero!

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:17 am (UTC)
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George Allen is an idiot

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Tully Satre

Re: You Are A Hero!

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:19 am (UTC)
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Dear Anonymous,

Now, now - if we are to expect respect and dignity, we need to show it as well :)

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Impressive

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:24 am (UTC)
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I found out about your actions from AmericaBlog. While I now live in Chicago, I grew up in Ashland, Virginia and went to college in Charlottesville. I completely understand the attitudes you faced during this encounter. You have my complete respect. It took me until I was in my 20s to acknowledge to myself that I'm gay, forget about anyone else. It's impressive that you have the dignity and poise to stand before members of your community at such a (relatively) young age and challenge their beliefs. You have a new fan.

chgo921[at]yahoo dot com

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Tully Satre

Re: Impressive

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:44 am (UTC)
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Thank you so much! Regardless of our age, standing up for equality is what is right.

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Speaking truth to power

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:30 am (UTC)
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Tully,
I found your report through AmericaBlog this evening. I admire your guts. You'll go a long way in the years ahead. I am 63, considerably older than you. Things have come a long way since I was 16. With young people like you in this country and in this world, I have a lot of hope for the future.
Patrick.

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Tully Satre

Re: Speaking truth to power

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
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Thank you Patrick!

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Luciano Metzia

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from: [info]katal
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:32 am (UTC)
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I received a link to this post from AmericaBlog.

Well done. The vilification of gays in this country is shameful, and I'm impressed by your speaking out. May more young people have your courage.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
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Thanks!

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You're a hero

from: [info]tomletters
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:33 am (UTC)
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Republicans are so incredibly disingenuous in their twisting of logic to oppose gay rights and to oppose everything else that is good and decent. Too bad everyone doesn't start out life with your bravery in standing up to these miscreants in support of decent suffering people. Equality is the only moral solution, and being pressured into being with someone you don't want to be with (or pressure to just be alone) just to make some controlling conservative people happy is not right. Way to stand up against a crowd of typically smug and uncaring Republican goosesteppers.

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Tully Satre

Re: You're a hero

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:40 am (UTC)
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Thank you!

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Civil Liberties

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:38 am (UTC)
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Most excellent. Bigotry, whatever the target, must be confronted face-on and with the dignity we wish for all of us. You set a good example.

LK, non-gay American for equal rights

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
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Amen! Thanks!

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Kudos

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:38 am (UTC)
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Nice work, kiddo! That took guts. Sounds like it took knowledge and eloquence, too, both of which you appear to have in abundance.

http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
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Thank you!

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Excellent

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
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First time I've been to your site. You wrote an excellent piece of prose (a few typos but that's to be expected). I am a straight married man, but I, like you, believe a government ban on gay marraige is unconstitutional. As a citizen of the United States we are all should expect "equal protection under the law." A religion may ban gay marraige, hell it can ban inter-racial marriage or inter-faith maraige. However, when the federal government does it then that is dicrimination and unconstitutional. But be hopeful, times and attitudes change. In the future you will be able to marry the person you love. You may also be allowed to join the military. Don't know if that's a positive or not.

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Tully Satre

Re: Excellent

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
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Thanks man.

We all deserve equal rights. As you can see from some of these posts - some people believe otherwise, which is fine...however when it comes to law, that is where we find the issue.

Thank you for your support as an American Citizen! Having the choice to join the military with ease is a good thing :)

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Mad Props from Brooklyn

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
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Good job, Tully. Thank you.

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Tully Satre

Re: Mad Props from Brooklyn

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
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Thank YOU!

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:44 am (UTC)
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Thank you young man for fighting the good fight! Whenever someone like Senator Allen brings up the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision allowing gay marriage, remind him the the majority of the Court were appointed by Republicans.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
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:)

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Good one, me old son.

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:47 am (UTC)
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It cannot be easy, being gay and in Culpeper(my people are fron down that way). Takes a lot of grit to stand up in a meeting like that and take on the likes of Allen, especially in front of what was likely a partisan crowd.

You keep it up. Keep up the eloquence too. You made people think tonight. Something a representative number of them most likely have not done in a while.

I have to say I greatly admire you for your courage. Keep it up.

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Tully Satre

Re: Good one, me old son.

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:49 am (UTC)
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hahaha - Thank you so much :)

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
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Friend, do not imagine that the fight is for anything other than the most basic of human rights. Men cannot deny God's blessings. Governments can and do establish laws for the common good. It is right and good that we support families. All families. Ruth defined her family. Jerry Falwell cannot define mine. Keep up the good fight.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:49 am (UTC)
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Amen. :) Thank you.

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Ex...exqui...

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:49 am (UTC)
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HELP ME, KID, HOW DO YOU SPELL "EXQUISITE"?

However you spell it, it was, and learned, and insightful and eloquent. And, of yes, ballsy (surfed on in from ABlog, btw). We admire you for taking it to the bastard and sticming up for gay rights. It's also good to see someone your age with good language and writing skills who's also more than merely conversant in American history.

Once again, bravo.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:50 am (UTC)
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Hahahaha thanks!

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:56 am (UTC)
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I salute you as an American. I don't care who you sleep with, you are OK with me. Good luck in your pursuit and be happy!

Fernando

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 04:56 am (UTC)
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Haha, thanks Fernando!

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Terminotaur

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from: [info]terminotaur
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:06 am (UTC)
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Came here from AmericaBlog. A very well delivered arguement.

That wouldn't get me to comment, however what I do think needs to be said and commended is that you delivered this arguement in a calm, rational, and polite manner. With more and more political discourse seeming to be dominated by name calling and yelling its hartening to see people such as yourself talking TO people, and not AT or against them. I doubt few people were convinced to change their thinking by yelling and shouting, but by according them respect, and trying to engague in a truely honest discussion. Not a rant, preaching, or dictating, but a discussion. Thank you.

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:07 am (UTC)
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No one ever really got anywhere through violence...at least if we're going to advocate for civil liberty, we should be civil about it, no?

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good job

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:09 am (UTC)
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That took guts. Keep it up.

How anyone can live with that kind of hate in their heart is beyond me.

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Tully Satre

Re: good job

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:13 am (UTC)
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Thank you - we're all in this together, regardless of sexual orientation.

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Phenomenal

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:13 am (UTC)
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From Brooklyn NY, cheering you on. Take the fight as far as you care to, it's your call. Your poise belies your years, and your grace in the face of all those boors was very classy. I especially admire the way you adhere to facts and recognize the limitations of persuasion, regardless of the intensity of your passion internally. The fact that you have already learned this at your young age gives me hope.

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Tully Satre

Re: Phenomenal

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:14 am (UTC)
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Thank you very much - Woot back to Brooklyn.

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politicaluke

awesome -

from: [info]politicaluke
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:22 am (UTC)
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thank you for sharing for your story, mister, so AWESOME. i admire you completely.

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Tully Satre

Re: awesome -

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:28 am (UTC)
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Thanks man :)

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(no subject)

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:35 am (UTC)
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Thank you for standing up, speaking up.
I pray for a secular future,

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Tully Satre

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from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
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:)

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bravo

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:36 am (UTC)
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I can't believe how brave and articulate you were in dealing with this senator, especially in light of the lack of support you received in the room. Tully, I wish I had your courage and presence of mind at the age of 16! You are a credit to your peers and will set an outstanding example to them. Congratualtions -- your parents must be proud of you, as you should be.
Michael S.

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Tully Satre

Re: bravo

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:44 am (UTC)
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Thanks Michael!

My parents are not only proud, they are active supporters of equality and ensure that their voice is heard as well.

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Good job man!

from: anonymous
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:36 am (UTC)
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The gods smile upon you when you have the courage to do something inspired and righteous.

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Tully Satre

Re: Good job man!

from: [info]tullysatre
date: Mar. 22nd, 2006 05:44 am (UTC)
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Thanks :) It was a victory for all supporters of equality.

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